Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

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    The first Alice was a courageous red one
    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Fri Aug 17 2007, 15:42

    hm... but just because obito was trapped under that rock doesnt mean that he's dead.. he might've been rescued.

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by rizen_uchiha on Fri Aug 17 2007, 15:54

    but by who???
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    The first Alice was a courageous red one
    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
    The twins then wandered through wonderland endlessly!

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Fri Aug 17 2007, 21:35

    the... nins that were surrounding his team.. (forgot which village, gomen)

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by -j0$3- on Fri Aug 17 2007, 21:42

    stone>?
    maybe
    lol

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by rizen_uchiha on Fri Aug 17 2007, 21:53

    hmm....he might be alive but tobi is not orbito
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    The first Alice was a courageous red one
    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Fri Aug 17 2007, 22:02

    ah- yes. i think it was iwa
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by sakura130 on Sat Aug 18 2007, 22:59

    Tobi's not a good boy anymore ;-;

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    Post by -j0$3- on Sat Aug 18 2007, 23:15

    lol
    hey you joined
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    The first Alice was a courageous red one
    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Sun Aug 19 2007, 08:27

    tobi's a scary boy...

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by SoshiKusanagi on Sun Aug 19 2007, 16:45

    The biggest hurdle between Obito being Tobi in my opinion is motivation. Why would Obito join the Akatsuki, and how did he become leader? Did he start the Akatsuki? If so, again I ask why? Then again that doesn't leave many other possibilities. Could Tobi possibly be Madara? I don't know about that. Either choice seems unlikely, but they are the best options we have to choose from. Either way once all is known, there will be alot of "I told you so"ing goin on.
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    The first Alice was a courageous red one
    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
    The twins then wandered through wonderland endlessly!

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Sun Aug 19 2007, 19:26

    no, Tobi isnt the leader, i still think he's just the mastermind behind the Akatsuki
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    Post by Dusk^Strife on Sun Aug 19 2007, 21:09

    i think he might just be refurring to himself as madara.
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    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
    The twins then wandered through wonderland endlessly!

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Sun Aug 19 2007, 21:10

    either that or he has madara's blood flowing in him

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by SoshiKusanagi on Mon Aug 20 2007, 02:46

    well, Paine is the official leader, but he's taking orders from Tobi.
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by quater on Mon Aug 20 2007, 11:19

    Paine isn't taking orders from Tobi. Where are you people getting this? For the hundredth time today I will repost it.

    If Tobi is the grand mastermind then why was he just recently admitted? I mean if he was the one who started the organization then why the flip was he just recently made a leader?

    Tobi is not Madara. First why would Madara have one eye? And the same eye that would be opposite Kakashi's? Pretty coincidental. Another if a bunch of giant rocks fell on Obito's face maybe he is hiding it. But Madara why would he hide it? Another is the fact Tobi has a mirror personality of Obito. Also if the Fox remembers Madara from a while back and he hasn't been out roaming for fifteen years it's unlikely that Madara is any spring Chicken. So odds are if he were in the Akatsuki he would be really old. In fact many believe (I am one of them) that if Madara is anyone important he is the founder of the Uchiha Clan. That would make this line "My true power...Uchiha's blood true sharingan" crap make sense because he means the blood from Madara is running in him.

    For all these reasons I think that Madara isn't Tobi. Obito is the best candidate and our only reason to say it isn't him is because of his reasons for being one? Well who says madara has better ones? I mean just cause he is an Uchiha doesn't mean he is evil.

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by SoshiKusanagi on Mon Aug 20 2007, 16:33

    ok Q then why was Tobi giving orders to Paine in that recent manga chapter. Has it occured to you that maybe Tobi didn't want people to know that he was in charge. Now I don't know who tobi is but stop saying he isn't in charge when he's handing orders out to the leader. He might have recently been admitted because his plans are coming closer to fruition, and he wants to take a closer hand in Akatsuki affairs. Reread the manga if you must. He is most certainly the one in charge
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    The first Alice was a courageous red one
    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
    The twins then wandered through wonderland endlessly!

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:03

    i agree with soshi... (sorry, kazekage...)
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    Post by quater on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:17

    I reread it and I still stick to my idea. What you call handing out orders I see how you take it that way and can agree that it is understandable.

    But I still disagree. Disagree because I can and am aloud. It's to complicated for me to explain it besides those reasons why I think that wasn't an order online and I am really not going to try.
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    The first Alice was a courageous red one
    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
    The twins then wandered through wonderland endlessly!

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:20

    well, i see your point... kinda

    but i still stick to my ideas...

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by SoshiKusanagi on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:23

    Alright, then explain how a new member is talking that way to Paine, the supposed leader. Also, why are we just now learning that Tobi is an Uchiha. I agree that you can disagree, but please give arguements.

    "As leader, failure won't be forgiven." I could see Itachi, or another member who had been with Akatsuki awhile saying something like that to Paine. Maybe. If Paine is the true leader would he let a the new guy talk to him in such a way? thats my opinion.

    edit: plus this is the first time we see Paine in the flesh. We havent seen him meet personally with any other member. How likely is it that he would choose to meet with the newest member like that.


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    With a Sword in one hand through Wonderland
    She cut down, many things that stood in her way
    Making a path that was a trail of blood
    The alice walked deep into the woods and then she was trapped
    A prisoned sinner
    There was no way of knowing she was there
    Except the red path that followed behind her

    The second Alice was a calm, blue one
    Singing a song that filled wonderland
    The false notes which he sang till the end
    Created a crazy world in wonderland
    That Alice was born of a Flower
    Was then shot by a cross-eyed man
    Out from the wound then bloomed a flower
    Everyone that had loved him, soon began to die

    The third Alice was an innocent green one
    A beautiful figure there in wonderland
    She had fooled many people to do her bid
    A strange country was then created up
    The Alice was the queen of the country
    Possessed by a dream of distortion
    Afraid of losing her life to death
    Ruling the country of hers forever

    Walking down a red path in the forest
    Under the blue rose trees, the two had tea time
    An invitation to them from the castle was
    The playing card of hearts

    The fourth Alice was a pair of children twins
    They were curious througout the wonderland
    They traveled through the doors to see all kinds of things
    From there wandering that they had just arrived
    A stubborn big sister, and smart little brother

    They were nearing the first alice's wonderland
    The two were to never to wake from their dream
    The twins then wandered through wonderland endlessly!

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:27

    and think... if tobi really was a goofball, would Pein let him talk to him like that (especially)
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by quater on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:32

    I never said he was a goofball. Afterall he just survived Deidara's blast and if he his Obito then I still believe he is no goofball.

    I believe i said I am not going to defend it it's impossible online too. Look read the manga though. Tobi hung out with Akatsuki for a while but never was a member and wanted to be a member. Obviously that means he isn't new. But he was only recently made a member. If he was the mastermind wouldn't he just be like Pein I want in the club I made and he would be like ok Boss. He already caught his Jinchurriki and the person with him probably did too. They were telling him to go get the 9 tails Itachi can't do it and we need to get this show on the role.
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by D-Dei on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:38

    well, i never said that you said tobi was a goofball. i said IF


    Tobi could've just been out of the club and waited for someone to die to join, cuz people would be suspicious if he was just put in.
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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by quater on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:39

    So the mastermind let himself get out of the club?

    That's just dumb if you ask me.

    I really think the point of that scene wasn't to say hey look Tobi is the mastermind but to say hey look he isn't dead.

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    Re: Tobi's true Identity (Massive Spoiler)

    Post by SoshiKusanagi on Mon Aug 20 2007, 17:40

    for all we know that was another of Paine's changed clones running around with Deidra. plus, it is only tobi telling Paine to retrieve Naruto. Also you still fail to account for the meeting. Paine didn't need to be there in person to hear this. He was likely required to do it in person.

    On another note, you said it yourself. Tobi was with the Akatsuki for quite awhile before becoming a full member. He could have been directing it from behind the scenes all along.

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